if you look at the electorate when bill clinton got elected, and ronald reagan got elected, they use this to bring up their base and maximize their vote. they use the far right to do it. >> well, it used to be -- >> since there's not enough of them. >> for every african-american vote, or latino vote is probably a better point, you would lose a vote in the southwest but that's not exactly happening. the white vote has been up a bit for obama and african-american and other minority votes zoomed. >> they lost the cities. losing more educated white voters along with minority voters and part of the problem is them. the messaging they use for their base turns off obviously younger people. turns off women. turns off minorities and this time they really got minorities excited about voting. when you do things to prevent people from voting, that made that vote solidify and come out and visit in 2008. >> this is the problem they have. the leadership, michael gerschwins of the world, they alienate the people who vote for the party. >> angry guy in arizona. >> john mccain, town hall meeting. ther